What Glenn Simpson said about Browder in testimony

Jan 11, 2018 – The most interesting new assertion in Glenn Simpson’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee August 22, 2017, just released by Sen. Diane Feinstein, is this: that charges promoted by William Browder and adopted by the Justice Department to target the Russian real estate company Prevezon originated with a Russian organized crime figure, Demetri Baranovsky.

He is associated with Russia’s biggest organized crime family, the Solntsevo Brotherhood, which had allegedly been extorting Prevezon, which had reported this to the police.

Baranovsky had been jailed for running a shake-down operation in which he posed as an anti-corruption campaigner for the purpose of extorting money from people by threatening to accuse them of corrupt activities.

For the rest, Simpson echoes what has been written here about Browder’s use of offshore shell companies to hide his operations, his Russian tax evasion, and his attempts to evade court subpoenas to testify in the case that he created. In some cases I’ve linked to documents that prove the accuracy of Simpson’s statements.

Simpson is a former Wall Street Journal investigative reporter hired by the Washington-New York law firm BakerHostetler to delve into the shadowy operations of William Browder, the American-born British investor who was behind the Justice Department attack on its client Prevezon, a real estate holding company owned by a Russian, Denis Katsyv. Browder had gotten the DOJ to go after Prevezon to create a story to block Russian authorities from going after him for some $70 million in evaded taxes and illicit stock buys.

Here are the parts of Simpson’s 315-page testimony that deal with Browder.

The full transcript is here.

21           A [Simpson]. We were retained by Baker Hostetler in the

22           spring of 2014 to do litigation support, and under

23           the heading of litigation support was things

24           related to discovery, locating witnesses, answer

25           questions from the press, gathering documents,

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when

16           you’re a subcontractor to a law firm, you know,

17           you’re sort of in a lane and, you know, my lane was

18           research, discovery, William Browder’s business

19           practices, his activities in Russia, his history of

20           avoiding taxes.

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— the client’s explanation for or

13           response to the government’s allegations was that

14           they originated with an organized crime figure in

15           Russia who had been extorting them and who they had

16           reported to the police and who had been jailed and

17           convicted for blackmailing them, and they claimed

18           that that was where these allegations originated,

19           which, you know, seemed remarkable because it was

20           in a Justice Department complaint.

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So originally one of the first things we were

7             hired to do was to check out whether this was, in

8             fact, the case. So they claimed that the

9             allegations originated with a mobster named Demetri

10           Baranovsky, B-A-R-A-N-O-V-S-K-Y, who was, in fact,

11           jailed for running a shake-down operation in which

12           he posed as an anti-corruption campaigner for the

13           purpose of extorting money from people by

14           threatening to accuse them of some kind of corrupt

15           activities. As you know, Russia is rife with

16           corruption and there’s a lot of anger over

17           corruption.

18           We were able to ascertain that Mr. Baranovsky

19           was, in fact, associated with Russia’s biggest

20           organized crime family, the Solntsevo Brotherhood,

21           S-O-L-N-T-S-E- V-O brotherhood, which is the major

22           dominant mafia clan in Moscow. So as far as it

23           went, the client seemed to be telling the truth.

24           You know, there was extensive record of these

25           events and we found some indications from western

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1             law enforcement that western law enforcement did

2             consider Baranovsky to be a lieutenant in this

3             organized crime family.

8             And, you know, around the — similarly, there

9             was a deposition of a customs agent by one of the

10           lawyers who — you know, in this initial effort to

11           trace the origin of these allegations, where they

12           came from, how they could have ended up with the

13           Justice Department, the first thing we did was

14           interview the client, got their story, and

15           interviewed the agent who worked on the case for

16           the DOJ and that agent said he got all his

17           information from William Browder.

18           So at that point I was asked to help see if

19           we could get an interview with William Browder.

20           They wrote a letter to Browder and asked him to

21           answer questions and he refused. Then the lawyers

22           wanted to know, you know, whether he could be

23           subpoenaed. So a lot of what I did in 2014 was

24           help them figure out whether he could be subpoenaed

25           in the United States to give a deposition, and the

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1             first thing that we did was we researched the

2             ownership and registration of his hedge fund, which

3             was registered in Delaware and filed documents with

4             the Securities and Exchange Commission.

5             So we subpoenaed his hedge fund. A lot of

6             the early work I did was just documenting that his

7             hedge fund had presence in the United States. So

8             we subpoenaed his hedge fund. He then changed the

9             hedge fund registration, took his name off, said it

10           was on there by accident, it was a mistake, and

11           said that he had no presence in the United States

12           and that, you know — as you may know, he

13           surrendered his citizenship in 1998 and moved

14           outside the United States. That was around the

15           time he started making all the money in Russia. So

16           he’s never had to pay U.S. taxes on his profits

17           from his time in Russia, which became important in

18           the case later.

19           In any case, he said he never came to the

20           United States, didn’t own any property here, didn’t

21           do any business here, and therefore he was not

22           required to participate in the U.S. court system

23           even though he admitted that he brought the case to

24           the U.S. Justice Department. So we found this to

25           be a frustrating and somewhat curious situation.

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1             He was willing to, you know, hand stuff off to the

2             DOJ anonymously in the beginning and cause them to

3             launch a court case against somebody, but he wasn’t

4             interesting in speaking under oath about, you know,

5             why he did that, his own activities in Russia.

6             So looking at the public record we determined

7             that he did come to the United States frequently,

8             and I discovered through public records that he

9             seemed to own a house in Aspen, Colorado, a very

10           expensive mansion, over $10 million, which he had

11           registered in the name of a shell company in a

12           clear attempt to disguise the ownership of the

13           property. We were able to ascertain that he does

14           use that property because he registered cars to

15           that property with the Colorado DMV in the name of

16           William Browder.

17           So we began looking for public information

18           about when he might be in Aspen, Colorado, and I

19           found a listing on the Aspen Institute Website

20           about an appearance he was going to make there in

21           the summer of 2014. So we — I served him a

22           subpoena in the parking lot of the Aspen Institute

23           in the summer of 2014 using two people — two

24           subcontractors. Actually, those other

25           subcontractors were — their names escape me, but I

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1             forgot about those. We can get you that. This is

2             all in the Pacer court record, the public court

3             record.

4             In any event, the three of us served — there

5             was another subcontractor working for the law firm

6             whose name I also forget. I did not retain him,

7             but I was asked to work with him on this. He is a

8             private investigator and we can get you his name.

9             In any event, we served him the subpoena and he ran

10           away. He dropped it on the ground and he ran away.

11           He jumped in his car and went back to his mansion.

12           At that point he tried to suppress — tried

13           to quash the subpoena on the grounds it hadn’t been

14           properly served. We didn’t get a video, but there

15           are sworn affidavits from my servers in the court

16           record about the service. But he objected to it on

17           a number of grounds.

A,           he continued to insist he

18           had nothing to do with the United States and didn’t

19           come here very often even, though we caught him

20           here, clearly has cars in Colorado. He also said

21           that you can’t serve a subpoena for a case in

22           New York in the state of Colorado, it’s outside the

23           primary jurisdiction. He also began to raise

24           questions about whether Baker Hostetler had a

25           conflict of interest because of some previous work

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1             he did with one of the Baker lawyers.

2             This led to a long, drawn-out discovery

3             battle that I was in the center of because I served

4             the subpoenas and I helped find the information for

5             the first set of subpoenas that lasted, you know,

6             through 2014. This was, you know, a lot of what I

7             did. This was — the main focus was on trying to

8             get William Browder to testify under oath about his

9             role in this case and his activities in Russia.

10           All of this — his determined effort to avoid

11           testifying under oath, including running away from

12           subpoenas and changing — frequently changing

13           lawyers and making lurid allegations against us,

14           including that, you know, he thought we were KGB

15           assassins in the parking lot of Aspen, Colorado

16           when we served the subpoena, all raised questions

17           in my mind about why he was so determined to not

18           have to answer questions under oath about things

19           that happened in Russia.

20           I’ll add that, you know, I’ve done a lot of

21           Russia reporting over the years. I originally met

22           William Browder back when I was a journalist at the

23           Wall Street Journal when I was doing stories about

24           corruption in Russia. I think the first time I met

25           him he lectured me about — I was working on a

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1             story about Vladimir Putin corruption and he

2             lectured me about how have Vladimir Putin was not

3             corrupt and how he was the best thing that ever

4             happened to Russia. There are numerous documents

5             that he published himself, interviews he gave

6             singing the praises of Vladimir Putin. At that

7             time I was already investigating corruption in

8             Putin’s Russia.

9             So this made me more curious about the

10           history of his activities in Russia and what that

11           might tell me about corruption in Russia, and as

12           part of the case we became curious about whether

13           there was something that he was hiding about his

14           activities in Russia. So through this period while

15           we were attempting to get him under oath we were

16           also investigating his business practices in Russia

17           and that research — and I should add when I say

18           “we,” I mean the lawyers were doing a lot of this

19           work and it wasn’t — I can’t take responsibility

20           or pride of place on having done all this work. We

21           were doing it all together. It was a — you know,

22           there were a number of lawyers involved, other

23           people.

24           In the course of doing this research into

25           what he might not want to be asked about from his

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1             history in Russia we began to learn about the

2             history of his tax avoidance in Russia and we began

3             to deconstruct the way that his hedge fund

4             structured its investments in Russia and, you know,

5             we gradually accumulated through public records,

6             not all from Russia, that he set up dozens of shell

7             companies in Cyprus and other tax havens around the

8             world to funnel money into Russia and to hold

9             Russian securities.

10           He also set up shell companies inside of

11           Russia in order to avoid paying taxes in Russia and

12           he set up shell companies in a remote republic

13           called Kalmykia, K-A-L-M-Y-K-I-A, which is next to

14           Mongolia. It’s the only Buddhist republic in

15           Russia and there’s nothing much there, but if you

16           put your companies there you can lower your taxes.

17           They were putting their companies in Kalmykia that

18           were holding investments from western investors and

19           they were staffing these companies — they were

20           using Afghan war veterans because there’s a tax

21           preference for Afghan war veterans, and what we

22           learned is that they got in trouble for this

23           eventually because one of Putin’s primary rules for

24           business was you can do a lot of things, but you’ve

25           got to pay your taxes.

 

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1             In fact, William Browder famously said in

2             2005 at Davos everybody knows under Putin you have

3             to pay your taxes, which is ironic because at the

4             time he was being investigated for not paying

5             taxes. Ultimately they were caught, some of these

6             companies were prosecuted, and he was forced to

7             make an enormous tax payment to the government of

8             Russia in 2006.

9             I will add that Sergei Magnitsky was working

10           for him at this time and all of this happened prior

11           to the events that you are interested in involving

12           the Russian treasury fraud and his jailing. This

13           precedes all that.

14           But returning to the detailed discussion of

15           my work, we investigated William Browder’s business

16           practices in Russia, we began to understand maybe

17           what it was he didn’t want to talk about, and as we

18           looked at that we then began to look at his

19           decision to surrender his American citizenship in

20           1998. At that point somewhere in there the Panama

21           papers came out and we discovered that he had

22           incorporated shell companies offshore in the mid

23           1990s, in 1995 I believe it was in the British

24           Virgin Islands, and that at some point his hedge

25           fund’s shares had been transferred to this offshore

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1             company.

2             This offshore company was managed — several

3             of his offshore companies were managed by the

4             Panamanian law firm called Mossack Fonseca,

5             M-O-S-S-A-C-K, Fonseca, F-O-N-S-E-C-A, which is

6             known now for setting up offshore companies for

7             drug kingpins, narcos, kleptos, you name it. They

8             were servicing every bad guy around. And I’m

9             familiar with them from other money laundering and

10           corruption and tax evasion investigations that I’ve

11           done.

12           I’ll note parenthetically that William

13           Browder talks a lot about the Panama papers and the

14           Russians who are in the Panama papers without ever

15           mentioning that he’s in the Panama papers. This

16           is, again, a public fact that you can check

17           on-line.

18           So that’s an overview of the sort of work I

19           was doing on this case. In the course of that I

20           also began reaching back, I read his book Red

21           Notice to understand his story and the story of his

22           activities in Russia. I’ll add also that I was

23           extremely sympathetic for what happened to Sergei

24           Magnitsky and I told him that myself and I tried to

25           help him. It was only later from this other case

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1             A. I’ll just finish with one last thing and

2             I’m happy to answer that question.

3             So in the course of this, you know — I mean,

4             one of my interests or even obsessions over the

5             last decade has been corruption in Russia and

6             Russian kleptocracy and the police state that was

7             there. I was stationed in Europe from 2005 to 2007

8             or ‘8. So I was there when Putin was consolidating

9             power and all this wave of power was coming. So

10           it’s been a subject that I’ve read very widely on

11           and I’m very interested in the history of Putin’s

12           rise.

13           You know, in the course of all this I’ll tell

14           you I became personally interested in where Bill

15           Browder came from, how he made so much money under

16           Vladimir Putin without getting involved in anything

17           illicit. So I read his book and I began doing

18           other research and I found filings at the SEC

19           linking him quite directly and his company, Salomon

20           Brothers at the time, to a company in Russia called

21           Peter Star, and I had, as it happens, vetted Peter

22           Star and I knew that Peter Star was, you know, at

23           the center of a corruption case that I covered as a

24           reporter at the Wall Street Journal. When I went

25           back into the history of Peter Star I realized that

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1             Bill Browder did business with the mayor’s office

2             in Saint Petersburg when Vladimir Putin was the

3             deputy mayor and was responsible for dealing with

4             western businessmen and corporations.

5             I then went and looked in Red Notice, this

6             was a large deal, it was the biggest deal ever for

7             Salomon at that time, they sold $98 million worth

8             of stock on NASDAQ. There’s no mention of William

9             Browder’s deal with Peter Star in Red Notice. I

10           can’t tell you why, but I can tell you that Peter

11           Star later became the subject of a massive

12           corruption investigation, Pan-European, that I

13           exposed a lot of and that led to the resignation of

14           Putin’s telecoms minister. So I assume he might

15           not have — this is kind of a pattern with Browder,

16           which is he tends to omit things that aren’t

17           helpful to him, and I think we’ve seen a good bit

18           of that lately in his allegations against me, which

19           I’m sure you’re going to ask me about.

20           So your question about the ICE agent, he was

21           deposed by John Moscow of the New York office of

22           Baker Hostetler. John is an old associate of mine

23           from my days as a journalist. John’s an expert on

24           tax evasion and money laundering. He was the head

25           of the rackets bureau for the district attorney’s

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19           EXAMINATION

20           BY MR. DAVIS:

21           Q. All right. Mr. Simpson, I’m going to

22           return to the topic of Prevezon. Let me know if

23           I’m accurately summarizing the scope of work you’re

24           describing. I think you’ve described three main

25           areas so far. First is that you were investigating

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1             Prevezon’s side of the story to see if it was

2             credible; the second is you were investigating Bill

3             Browder’s ties to the U.S. and related subpoena

4             issues; and the third is that you were

5             investigating Bill Browder’s Russian businesses.

6             Is that correct?

14           A. Is that a yes-or-no question? I think

15           those are three things I covered, but I covered a

16           lot of stuff.

17           Q. With the information that you gathered in

18           those and related efforts, what did you do with the

19           information once you obtained it?

20           A. Well, the first thing you do is you give

21           it to the lawyers and, you know, when appropriate

22           you give it to reporters, you know, put it in court

23           filings.

24           Q. So is it correct, then, people associated

25           with Fusion did communicate with journalists about

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16           Q. And with which news organizations did

17           Fusion communicate in relation to the Prevezon

18           case?

19           A. I will try to remember them. It was the

20           major news organizations that were covering the

21           litigation. Usually it was their courthouse or

22           legal reporters. So it was Bloomberg, New York

23           Times, Wall Street Journal, probably Reuters, Legal

24           360. I’m sure there were a handful of others.

25           Q. Was the Financial Times possibly one of

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1             them?

2             A. Yes.

3             Q. Politico?

4             A. They approached us with — they had been

5             getting information from Bill Browder. He had

6             alleged to them that we were part of a big campaign

7             on Capitol Hill and that we were engaged in

8             lobbying and that it was all designed to affect

9             legislation or smear him or Sergei Magnitsky. So

10           eventually we did end up dealing with that, but I

11           don’t remember whether we dealt with them prior to

12           that. I don’t think they covered the case prior to

13           that.

14           Q. What about NBC?

15           A. We would have — I’m sorry. Yes.

16           Q. And the New Republic?

17           A. I think so.

18           Q. And do you recall what information you

19           provided to each or is that too into the weeds?

20           A. I don’t know if it’s in the weeds, but

21           generally speaking, the work — we provided

22           information about the work that I had done about

23           William Browder’s credibility. The whole case

24           ended up — when I said when he declined to appear

25           voluntarily as I am here and explain things, you

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1             know, it ended up being an issue of why he didn’t

2             want to talk. So a lot of it was about his

3             credibility, about his account of his activities in

4             Russia, about his history of tax avoidance, all

5             these things.

6             Q. Did Fusion provide the media information

7             alleging that Browder had illicitly engineered the

8             purchase of 133 million shares of Gazprom?

9             A. I don’t know for sure, but we certainly

10           did research on that issue.

11           Q. And you described investigating these

12           series of issues. How did you acquire the

13           information in the course of this investigate?

14           A. We used the methods that I’ve described

15           here today. We pulled court records, we pulled

16           corporate records, we, you know, pulled real estate

17           records, SEC securities filings, that sort of

18           thing.

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23           A:… I think we should note

24           here that William Browder is an especially

25           aggressive media self-promoter and promoter of his

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1             story. So for much of this case it was reactive

2             and we were constantly besieged with reporters

3             pursuing negative stories about Prevezon, the

4             events of the Prevezon case that had been given to

5             them by William Browder. So, you know, unhappily,

6             I would say, you know, a lot of what we were doing

7             was simply responding to his wild allegations,

8             unsupported wild allegations.

9             There were certainly moments, particularly

10           concerning his unwillingness to appear for a

11           deposition, where we said to some reporters, hey,

12           guy, you know, he’s just dodged his third subpoena,

13           you might want to write about this, it’s pretty

14           funny. In fact, you know, the third one he ran

15           down a street in Manhattan in the middle of a

16           blizzard to get away from our process servers, but

17           that one we actually had them film it.

18           So, you know, did we want to get that

19           covered, did we think it was important that people

20           know that this guy was unwilling to appear in court

21           in public under oath to talk about the story that

22           he’d been selling for years about his activities in

23           Russia? Yeah, we wanted people to know that.

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7             Q. Do you know Natalia Veselnitskaya?

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15           she was the lawyer, the Russian lawyer who retained

16           Baker Hostetler who retained us.

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9             A. I was not introduced to her originally.

10           The original way that she was — it came up in my

11           conversations with Mark Cymrot and other Baker

12           lawyers was as the person who had hired them who

13           had the information about the extortion case

14           against Demetri Baranovsky. It was represented to

15           me by Mark Cymrot that she handled that matter and

16           was familiar with the prosecution of Demetri

17           Baranovsky and very well versed in the events of

18           the extortion.

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1             A. Beyond that my impression of her was of

2             someone who, you know, was a very smart and

3             ambitious lawyer, but not like a big political

4             player in the Kremlin. Of course given to wonder

5             given all the recent events and disclosures that I

6             was unaware of whether my assessment of her was

7             right or wrong. As we sit here today, the jury’s

8             kind of out. I honestly can tell you all I knew is

9             she didn’t seem to be a heavy hitter in the Kremlin

10           world.

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4             A.  William Browder likes to use the

8             press, but he doesn’t like anyone talking freely

9             about him or raising questions about the story of

10           his activities in Russia. So when this movie came

11           together they were going to screen it in Europe and

12           he hired the meanest libel firm in London which has

13           previously sued me on behalf of Saudi billionaires

14           and — unsuccessfully I might add, and he

15           threatened to file libel cases against the people

16           who were daring to offer to host a showing of this

17           film.  [LK: Film is by Andrey Nekrasov]

18           So, as you know, they don’t have the First

19           Amendment in Europe. So he was able to

20           successfully suppress the showings of this film

21           which questioned his credibility and whether — the

22           truth of his story and his activities in Russia.

23           So Chris came up with the idea of showing it at the

24           Newseum which is dedicated to the First Amendment

25           and where they don’t have much time for libel

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1             A. I was. She had trouble getting a visa and

2             the lawyers — there was some drama over whether

3             she could get a visa. This would have been a

4             recurring issue in the case. You know, our lawyers

5             believed that the Justice Department was

6             interfering with her visas because they wanted to

7             inhibit her from collaborating with us on the case,

8             but I don’t have any independent knowledge of her

9             visa issues. I just remember that was an issue.

10           I remember that at the last minute she got a

11           visa to come to this Appellate Court hearing on

12           June 9th in New York, and that was the way that she

13           persuaded them to give her a visa was that she

14           needed to attend a hearing which was on an appeal

15           of a District Court ruling related to the

16           disqualification motion that had been filed by

17           William Browder against Baker Hostetler after he

18           was ordered to give testimony.

19           So that’s the history of that court hearing,

20           which was after the Court said he couldn’t get out

21           of the subpoena and he had to give testimony, he

22           then triggered a new delay in his testimony by

23           filing a disqualification motion.

24           Q. And that hearing was on June 8th; is that

25           correct?

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16           Q. And did you understand that your actions

17           on behalf of Prevezon or Baker Hostetler would

18           principally benefit the Russian government? Who

19           did you believe the principal beneficiary to be?

20           MR. LEVY: I’d like to note for the record

21           that Patrick is smiling as he’s asking the

22           question. You can answer.

23           MR. MUSE: He’s trying to contain his

24           laughter.

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1             A. We did not believe that was being done on

2             behalf of the Russian government.

3             Q. What do you understand Prevezon’s

4             relationship, if any, to be with the Russian

5             government?

6             A. Prevezon was introduced to me as the

7             client and Denis Katsyv was the owner of Prevezon.

8             Generally speaking, when we take on a new case, you

9             know, from a respected law firm part of the, you

10           know, discussion is who’s the client, and, you

11           know, Mark Cymrot said they’ve checked out Denis

12           Katsyv and he has — he’s a legitimate businessman.

13           He’s got a real estate company, it’s a successful

14           company, and he has an explanation for how he makes

15           his money and appears to be legit. To some extent

16           whenever you enter a new case that’s part of what

17           you’re being hired to determine is whether that

18           initial due diligence stands up, but in any event,

19           he was presented to me as a successful real estate

20           investor.

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7             Q. Did you ever receive a letter of inquiry

8             from the Department of Justice regarding the

9             applicability of the Foreign Agent Registration Act

10           to your work on the Prevezon case or Magnitsky

11           matter?

12           A. No, I have not.

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1             notes about what meeting?

2             MR. DAVIS: These are the meeting notes from

3             the June 9th meeting at Trump Tower. These are

4             Mr. Manafort’s notes or they’re contemporaneous.

5             BY THE WITNESS:

6             A. I could tell — obviously you know who

7             Bill Browder is. Cyprus Offshore, Bill Browder’s

8             structure, you know, investment — Hermitage

9             Capital, his hedge fund, set up numerous companies

10           in Cyprus to engage in inward investment into

11           Russia, which is a common structure, both partially

12           for tax reasons but also to have entities outside

13           of Russia, you know, managing specific investments.

14           I can only tell you I assume that’s what that

15           references. I don’t know what the 133 million —

16           MR. FOSTER: Can I interrupt? And you know

17           that from research that you did and provided to —

18           MR. SIMPSON: Yes.

19           MR. LEVY: Let him finish.

20           MR. FOSTER: — research that you did and

21           provided to Baker Hostetler and their client?

22           MR. SIMPSON: Yes. There was a — I can

23           elaborate a little bit. As part of the research

24           into how Hermitage Capital worked we looked at

25           various things, their banking relationships, the

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1             way they structured their investments in Russia. I

2             don’t remember how many, but there was a large

3             number of shell companies in Cyprus that were used

4             to hold the investments of individual clients of

5             Hermitage. So one of the things we discovered from

6             that was the likely identities of some of

7             Hermitage’s clients.

 

19           A. I can skip down a couple. So “Value in

20           Cyprus as inter,” I don’t know what that means.

21           “Illici,” I don’t know what that means. “Active

22           sponsors of RNC,” I don’t know what that means.

23           “Browder hired Joanna Glover” is a mistaken

24           reference to Juliana Glover, who was Dick Cheney’s

25           press secretary during the Iraq war and associated

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1             with another foreign policy controversy. “Russian

2             adoptions by American families” I assume is a

3             reference to the adoption issue.

4             Q. And by “adoption issue” do you mean Russia

5             prohibiting U.S. families from adopting Russian

6             babies as a measure in response to the Magnitsky

7             act?

8             A. I assume so.

[Glover is a lobbyist with whom Browder visited a White House official to get him to add names to the Magnitsky Hit List.]

Here from Browder’s April 15, 2015 deposition in the Prevezon case, US Federal Court Southern District of New York:

6.             Q. You were at The White House at the

7                            beginning of 2014?

8             A.           I don’t remember.

9             Q.           How many times have you been to The

10                          White House?

11           A.           Once.

12           Q.           When was that?

13           A.           2000, 2002, something like that.

14           Q.           Okay. We’ll have to pull out some

15                          records.

 

18           Q.           I’m marking for identification as

19                          Exhibit 17 the document entitled “White House

20                          Visitor Records Requests.”

21           A.           Yes.

22           Q.           It says “Name: Last, Browder”?

23           A.           Yes.

24           Q.           “Name: First, William”?

25           A.           Yes.

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2             Q.           “Middle initial F; appointment date

3                            February 12, 2014”; you see that?

4             A.           Yes.

5             Q.           So does this refresh your

6                            recollection that you had a meeting at The

7                            White House with a Mr. Carpenter on

8                            February 12, 2014?

9             A.           Could you break down the question?

10                          There’s several questions there.

11           Q.           Did you have a meeting at The White

12                          House on February 14, 2014?

13           A.           No, I had a meeting at the old

14                          executive office building.

15           Q.           I see. Within The White House

16                          complex?

17           A.           Yes.

18           Q.           So when I asked you when you’d been

19                          to The White House, you weren’t talking about

20                          The White House complex?

21           A.           Correct.

22           Q.           So I have to be very careful in

23                          asking my questions; is that right?

24                          Did you meet with Mr. Carpenter?

25           A.           Yes.

 

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2             Q.           Who else was present?

3             A.           Juleanna Glover.

4             Q.           Who’s Juleanna Glover?

 5             A.           She was my lobbyist.

6             Q.           She was your lobbyist?

7             A.           Correct.

 

22           Q.           Okay. So other than Mr. Carpenter

23                          and Ms. Glover, who else was present?

24           A.           Nobody.

25           Q.           And why did you ask for this

 

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2                            appointment?

3             A.           Part of our advocacy for

4                            implementing Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law

 5                            Accountability Act sanctions.

  6             Q.           What were you asking for?

               7             A.           More people to be added to the

               8                            list.

               9             Q.           And who did you want added to the

              10                          list?

               11           A.           I can’t remember the names.

12

21           Q.           So how long did you meet with

22                          Mr. Carpenter?

23           A.           Forty-five minutes.

24           Q.           And what was the conversation?

 25           A.           About putting people on the

  26                          on the Magnitsky list.”

 

3             Q.           And what did you say and did he say

4                            during that conversation?

5             A.           I said “Working on it.”

9             Q.           And who are the people you wanted

10                          to add to the list?

 11           A.           I can’t remember.

           12           Q.           Did he say how he’s working on it?

            13           A.           No.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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